ramus
06-28 08:22 PM
I asked you question before and I am asking you again, can you please let us know how much do you care about IV.. If you do then can you tell us what have you done till date for IV..
Please answer it now..
if everyone is so confident tht "USCIS has to accept 485 thru JULY 31 no matter what" then why the rush by few to file on july 1st are they selfish and don;t care about others ??, can everyone join together and file on a particular day for the benefi of all ?
Please answer it now..
if everyone is so confident tht "USCIS has to accept 485 thru JULY 31 no matter what" then why the rush by few to file on july 1st are they selfish and don;t care about others ??, can everyone join together and file on a particular day for the benefi of all ?
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drona
08-31 01:21 PM
We need more members like you!
satishku_2000
05-17 01:15 AM
Whoa, now be careful what you say there tiger. Outsourcing has nothing to do with the H-1B program, if everyone followed the law. Then people wouldn't be in America, underpaid or on the bench. American companies outsourcing to India etc. is happening. Everyoe is entitled to an opinion on whether that is right or not. But BREAKING THE LAW BY ENTERING THE COUNTRY ON AN H-1B ON FALSE PREMISES is simply illegal, and has nothing to do with the issue of outsourcing. Two different things.
I am not saying all American companies are saints. The ones breaking the law should be punished accordingly. But facts are that Indian companies are among the biggest abusers of H-1Bs. Nothing wrong with Indian companies in general. But the ones breaking the law should be brought to justice, it's as simple as that.
If you are so sure about the law breakers and how people and companies are breaking immigration laws and you can always document and lodge compliaints to appropriate authorities. Dont always assume your perception is reality. There is something called due process when it comes to criminal prosecution in this country.
Outsourcing does not necessarily happen to India or some other country . Outsourcing can happen between companies in USA too. Even the essential services such as physical security , janitorial jobs are outsourced too.
The so called H1b reform does not protect people who are already in USA and whose green card petitions are pending for years. It tries put laws in place which says H1b employees can not perform services on behalf their companies for their clients.
One of the main complaints by people like you and guild of programmers is that these big consulting companies are using H1B program to gain knowledge in america and outsource later to India.
what do you mean by "BREAKING THE LAW BY ENTERING THE COUNTRY ON AN H-1B ON FALSE PREMISES"
No one here is opposing prosecuting the law breakers. You are the one who opined in other postings if enough number of people break law they should be legalized and given amnesty.
I am not saying all American companies are saints. The ones breaking the law should be punished accordingly. But facts are that Indian companies are among the biggest abusers of H-1Bs. Nothing wrong with Indian companies in general. But the ones breaking the law should be brought to justice, it's as simple as that.
If you are so sure about the law breakers and how people and companies are breaking immigration laws and you can always document and lodge compliaints to appropriate authorities. Dont always assume your perception is reality. There is something called due process when it comes to criminal prosecution in this country.
Outsourcing does not necessarily happen to India or some other country . Outsourcing can happen between companies in USA too. Even the essential services such as physical security , janitorial jobs are outsourced too.
The so called H1b reform does not protect people who are already in USA and whose green card petitions are pending for years. It tries put laws in place which says H1b employees can not perform services on behalf their companies for their clients.
One of the main complaints by people like you and guild of programmers is that these big consulting companies are using H1B program to gain knowledge in america and outsource later to India.
what do you mean by "BREAKING THE LAW BY ENTERING THE COUNTRY ON AN H-1B ON FALSE PREMISES"
No one here is opposing prosecuting the law breakers. You are the one who opined in other postings if enough number of people break law they should be legalized and given amnesty.
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sumanitha
01-12 03:07 PM
Donot take Maternity Card..
It will not be helpful at all..
Instead you can have your negotiations with your Doctor and Hospital.
In Dallas (Las Collinas), if you dont have medical insurance, you can have an arrangement with the Doctor and Hospital.
Like one of my friend paid 3K for everything for Delivery + 5K I think for the hospitals. Ofcourse this is based on the delivery is not complicated / C-section couple of years ago.
Hope this helps.
It will not be helpful at all..
Instead you can have your negotiations with your Doctor and Hospital.
In Dallas (Las Collinas), if you dont have medical insurance, you can have an arrangement with the Doctor and Hospital.
Like one of my friend paid 3K for everything for Delivery + 5K I think for the hospitals. Ofcourse this is based on the delivery is not complicated / C-section couple of years ago.
Hope this helps.
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am4gc
12-30 01:51 PM
EB2 India got 16000 visa in 2005. Will it get 2800 in 2006 according to 7% quota?
This text in Quote is available in this link
http://travel.state.gov/visa/frvi/bulletin/bulletin_2712.html
Note it is Nov 2005 bulletin...we are seeing bad progression in EB2 in Oct,Nov 2006...one year later. That confuses me
From November 2005 Visa Bulletin
HOW IS THE EMPLOYMENT-BASED PER-COUNTRY LIMIT CALCULATED?
Section 201 of the INA sets an annual minimum Family-sponsored preference limit of 226,000, while the worldwide annual level for Employment-based preference immigrants is at least 140,000. Section 202 sets the per-country limit for preference immigrants at 7% of the total annual Family-sponsored and Employment-based preference limits, i.e. a minimum of 25,620.
* The annual per-country limitation of 7% is a cap, meaning visa issuances to any single country may not exceed this figure. This limitation is not a quota to which any particular country is entitled, however. The per-country limitation serves to avoid monopolization of virtually all the visa numbers by applicants from only a few countries.
* In recent years, the application of the rules outlined in AC21 has allowed countries such as China – mainland born, India, and the Philippines to utilize large amounts of employment numbers which would have otherwise gone unused.
* During FY due to anticipated heavy demand, the AC21 provisions are not expected to apply, and the amount of Employment numbers available to any single country will be subject to the 7% cap. It is anticipated that the addition of unused FY-2005 Family numbers and the remaining AC21 numbers to the 140,000 annual minimum will result in an FY-2006 annual Employment limit of 152,000. This will mean an Employment per-country limit for FY-2006 of approximately 10,650.
* To illustrate the effect of the reduced per-county limitation during FY-2006 on the oversubscribed countries, it should be noted that during FY-2005 India used approximately 47,175 Employment numbers.
This text in Quote is available in this link
http://travel.state.gov/visa/frvi/bulletin/bulletin_2712.html
Note it is Nov 2005 bulletin...we are seeing bad progression in EB2 in Oct,Nov 2006...one year later. That confuses me
From November 2005 Visa Bulletin
HOW IS THE EMPLOYMENT-BASED PER-COUNTRY LIMIT CALCULATED?
Section 201 of the INA sets an annual minimum Family-sponsored preference limit of 226,000, while the worldwide annual level for Employment-based preference immigrants is at least 140,000. Section 202 sets the per-country limit for preference immigrants at 7% of the total annual Family-sponsored and Employment-based preference limits, i.e. a minimum of 25,620.
* The annual per-country limitation of 7% is a cap, meaning visa issuances to any single country may not exceed this figure. This limitation is not a quota to which any particular country is entitled, however. The per-country limitation serves to avoid monopolization of virtually all the visa numbers by applicants from only a few countries.
* In recent years, the application of the rules outlined in AC21 has allowed countries such as China – mainland born, India, and the Philippines to utilize large amounts of employment numbers which would have otherwise gone unused.
* During FY due to anticipated heavy demand, the AC21 provisions are not expected to apply, and the amount of Employment numbers available to any single country will be subject to the 7% cap. It is anticipated that the addition of unused FY-2005 Family numbers and the remaining AC21 numbers to the 140,000 annual minimum will result in an FY-2006 annual Employment limit of 152,000. This will mean an Employment per-country limit for FY-2006 of approximately 10,650.
* To illustrate the effect of the reduced per-county limitation during FY-2006 on the oversubscribed countries, it should be noted that during FY-2005 India used approximately 47,175 Employment numbers.
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gc_check
04-29 02:47 PM
Quick Chain of events .
India rejected both Boeing and Lockheed Martin's proposal of fighters . I am not debating the reasons or the merits of this decision if this was right or wrong . I am just discussing the potential repercussions this has had so far and might have .
'Exclusion of US firms from IAF jet deal a setback for ties' (http://www.indianexpress.com/news/exclusion-of-us-firms-from-iaf-jet-deal-a-setback.../783401/)
1) The issue is so serious that Tim Roemer , US Ambassador to India submitted his resignation immediately since he was on the hook for making this deal work .This shows the measure of disappointment they had.
2) India was seeking US assurances in security a Permanent Security council seat , which looks far fetched now .
4) Pentagon , Whitehouse and the DoD very upset that deal fell through . This sentiment will certainly percolate to the USCIS and the State department and might embolden Anti Immigration senators whose measures will get more support in the house and senate.
5) Prosecution of companies entangled in cases like Infosys might find more support and favor with the Govt.
Question is how/if there will be a backlash against India / Indian's get back at us at least in the short term .Increased scrutiny and visa denials , PoE Harassment , GC audits etc.
Will the US take a Tit-for-Tat reaction on this issue is what remains to be seen.
All it suggests is - "Well, There are many other players too in every other area - Defense, Science, Space, Medicine, etc... and may be US 'is and in some cases was' the leader, but definitely the Influence, Power, Respect, Trust etc...US used to have in the past is for sure diminished now and it isn't going to turn for good unless this country change for better !!!" Definitely at least I think not the change Obama envisioned !!! US is not the nation of immigrant's it used to be any more at the World's eyes. Well, the hard working people are are good, but The leaders in the center work for and lobbyist and the corporate greed was the basis for recent policies and now it is paying its price. In past it was like for the people, now it by for the lobbyist who can influence the 60 people in Senate and few hundred people in the house and for the companies who can hire these lobbyist decide the policy :o .
Bad policy that is not well made for the changing globalization is hurting here, while it is helping the people in other geography.
Having said that, I do not see any connection with immigration reform or what so ever...
India rejected both Boeing and Lockheed Martin's proposal of fighters . I am not debating the reasons or the merits of this decision if this was right or wrong . I am just discussing the potential repercussions this has had so far and might have .
'Exclusion of US firms from IAF jet deal a setback for ties' (http://www.indianexpress.com/news/exclusion-of-us-firms-from-iaf-jet-deal-a-setback.../783401/)
1) The issue is so serious that Tim Roemer , US Ambassador to India submitted his resignation immediately since he was on the hook for making this deal work .This shows the measure of disappointment they had.
2) India was seeking US assurances in security a Permanent Security council seat , which looks far fetched now .
4) Pentagon , Whitehouse and the DoD very upset that deal fell through . This sentiment will certainly percolate to the USCIS and the State department and might embolden Anti Immigration senators whose measures will get more support in the house and senate.
5) Prosecution of companies entangled in cases like Infosys might find more support and favor with the Govt.
Question is how/if there will be a backlash against India / Indian's get back at us at least in the short term .Increased scrutiny and visa denials , PoE Harassment , GC audits etc.
Will the US take a Tit-for-Tat reaction on this issue is what remains to be seen.
All it suggests is - "Well, There are many other players too in every other area - Defense, Science, Space, Medicine, etc... and may be US 'is and in some cases was' the leader, but definitely the Influence, Power, Respect, Trust etc...US used to have in the past is for sure diminished now and it isn't going to turn for good unless this country change for better !!!" Definitely at least I think not the change Obama envisioned !!! US is not the nation of immigrant's it used to be any more at the World's eyes. Well, the hard working people are are good, but The leaders in the center work for and lobbyist and the corporate greed was the basis for recent policies and now it is paying its price. In past it was like for the people, now it by for the lobbyist who can influence the 60 people in Senate and few hundred people in the house and for the companies who can hire these lobbyist decide the policy :o .
Bad policy that is not well made for the changing globalization is hurting here, while it is helping the people in other geography.
Having said that, I do not see any connection with immigration reform or what so ever...
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dante1271
08-27 09:51 PM
thank you for the effort of finding me a sponsor...:)
There are thousands of IV members in CA. Please book your tickets now. Yes, it is thousands of miles to DC and on a work day too but as I said we have one chance to voice our concerns. We are not going to get another chance like this anytime soon. It looks like we might have to fly in a few hundred people because DC appears to be sleeping.
Come on California. Submit your vacation requests now. Book your tickets. Fly on Monday night and fly back on Tuesday night if need be. There are a few people already doing this. Make your contribution. Act now.
There are thousands of IV members in CA. Please book your tickets now. Yes, it is thousands of miles to DC and on a work day too but as I said we have one chance to voice our concerns. We are not going to get another chance like this anytime soon. It looks like we might have to fly in a few hundred people because DC appears to be sleeping.
Come on California. Submit your vacation requests now. Book your tickets. Fly on Monday night and fly back on Tuesday night if need be. There are a few people already doing this. Make your contribution. Act now.
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07-02 03:23 PM
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diqingshen
01-31 01:36 PM
U.S. Proposes Rise in Immigration Fees (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/01/30/AR2007013001762.html).
By SUZANNE GAMBOA
The Associated Press
Wednesday, January 31, 2007; 2:47 AM
WASHINGTON -- Becoming an American citizen could soon cost almost twice as much.
The Bush administration will propose nearly doubling the fee charged applicants for U.S. citizenship and significantly increasing fees for other immigration benefits, congressional and administration officials said Tuesday.
Fees for a wide variety of immigration services would rise an average of 66 percent, said two government officials who did not want to be named in advance of the administration's formal announcement of the proposal Wednesday.
The current fee of $330 to apply for citizenship would rise to slightly less than $600, an administration official said. Other fee increases are possible for green cards conveying legal residency, which now cost $325.
Applicants also now pay a $70 fingerprinting fee in each case. Fees also are paid for things such as work permits, replacing lost green cards and petitions to adopt orphans from other countries.
The proposed fee increases would not be final until after a public comment period.
Congressional Democrats last week warned in a letter to Emilio Gonzalez, director of the Homeland Security Department's Citizenship and Immigration Services, that they planned to review the agency's analyses behind any proposed immigration fee increases.
The letter was signed by Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Patrick Leahy, D-Vt., immigration subcommittee chairman Sen. Edward Kennedy, D-Mass., House Judiciary Committee Chairman John Conyers, D-Mich., and immigration subcommittee chairwoman Rep. Zoe Lofgren, D-Calif.
Immigration advocates have been bracing for the expected jump in fees. William Ramos, Washington director for the National Association of Latino Elected and Appointed Officials, said the increases are "just going to be devastating to our communities."
"It will basically create another obstacle for those who want to realize their dream of becoming American citizens," Ramos said.
Citizenship and Immigration Services covers its costs with application fees. The agency is required to do a fee analysis every two years to determine whether money raised from fees is covering costs. The agency last raised its fees in 2004, citing the cost of more intense background checks in the wake of the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks.
Immigrant advocates long have argued that the agency's costs cannot be absorbed by application fees. They want Congress to appropriate money to help pay costs.
Large fee increases would be heavily felt in the Asian community, where two-thirds of the population in the U.S. is foreign-born, said Traci Hong, director of the immigration program for the Asian American Justice Center.
About 70 percent of foreign-born Asians in the country become American citizens, a high rate for immigrants. Hong worried that higher naturalization fees would slow that rate.
Also I heard a rumor that they are going to allow filing of i-485 for review first and then let you wait for the visa number. Hope it is true!
By SUZANNE GAMBOA
The Associated Press
Wednesday, January 31, 2007; 2:47 AM
WASHINGTON -- Becoming an American citizen could soon cost almost twice as much.
The Bush administration will propose nearly doubling the fee charged applicants for U.S. citizenship and significantly increasing fees for other immigration benefits, congressional and administration officials said Tuesday.
Fees for a wide variety of immigration services would rise an average of 66 percent, said two government officials who did not want to be named in advance of the administration's formal announcement of the proposal Wednesday.
The current fee of $330 to apply for citizenship would rise to slightly less than $600, an administration official said. Other fee increases are possible for green cards conveying legal residency, which now cost $325.
Applicants also now pay a $70 fingerprinting fee in each case. Fees also are paid for things such as work permits, replacing lost green cards and petitions to adopt orphans from other countries.
The proposed fee increases would not be final until after a public comment period.
Congressional Democrats last week warned in a letter to Emilio Gonzalez, director of the Homeland Security Department's Citizenship and Immigration Services, that they planned to review the agency's analyses behind any proposed immigration fee increases.
The letter was signed by Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Patrick Leahy, D-Vt., immigration subcommittee chairman Sen. Edward Kennedy, D-Mass., House Judiciary Committee Chairman John Conyers, D-Mich., and immigration subcommittee chairwoman Rep. Zoe Lofgren, D-Calif.
Immigration advocates have been bracing for the expected jump in fees. William Ramos, Washington director for the National Association of Latino Elected and Appointed Officials, said the increases are "just going to be devastating to our communities."
"It will basically create another obstacle for those who want to realize their dream of becoming American citizens," Ramos said.
Citizenship and Immigration Services covers its costs with application fees. The agency is required to do a fee analysis every two years to determine whether money raised from fees is covering costs. The agency last raised its fees in 2004, citing the cost of more intense background checks in the wake of the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks.
Immigrant advocates long have argued that the agency's costs cannot be absorbed by application fees. They want Congress to appropriate money to help pay costs.
Large fee increases would be heavily felt in the Asian community, where two-thirds of the population in the U.S. is foreign-born, said Traci Hong, director of the immigration program for the Asian American Justice Center.
About 70 percent of foreign-born Asians in the country become American citizens, a high rate for immigrants. Hong worried that higher naturalization fees would slow that rate.
Also I heard a rumor that they are going to allow filing of i-485 for review first and then let you wait for the visa number. Hope it is true!
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08-05 10:42 PM
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eager_immi
06-19 08:49 PM
Just suck it up and go for it. It seems unfair but that is a fact of life. Think about what is 5K in 5-10 years time, once u get GC you and ur wife can get better paid jobs and make up for it.
I guess most of the folks here are busy preparing to apply for 485. I have different problem here.
My employer's attorney is charging me outrageous fees of around $5000 to
apply for 485, AP and EAD for me and my spouse. This excludes USCIS fees. I work on hourly basis, so I should be taking care of immigration fees. My employer is not allowing me to file through another law firm.
Do I have any other options. How much do they charge usually.
I guess most of the folks here are busy preparing to apply for 485. I have different problem here.
My employer's attorney is charging me outrageous fees of around $5000 to
apply for 485, AP and EAD for me and my spouse. This excludes USCIS fees. I work on hourly basis, so I should be taking care of immigration fees. My employer is not allowing me to file through another law firm.
Do I have any other options. How much do they charge usually.
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morchu
08-01 09:58 PM
The key is that....there should not be substantial difference in the job duties and the responsibilities.
I know after we file the i-485 for 180 days, we can change our jobs. But rule is that the new job should be in the same field as the old one.
Can i change my job from a biological researcher to a biostatistician? My current job is in the field of biology, which involves lots of experiments. If I change my job to a biostatistician, which is like a programmer, do i still qualify the "similar filed" rule? thanks for your help!
I know after we file the i-485 for 180 days, we can change our jobs. But rule is that the new job should be in the same field as the old one.
Can i change my job from a biological researcher to a biostatistician? My current job is in the field of biology, which involves lots of experiments. If I change my job to a biostatistician, which is like a programmer, do i still qualify the "similar filed" rule? thanks for your help!
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10-22 12:59 PM
Here is an example of two-dimension thought process for a very complicated situation. Its implies if your political views do not align with mine, you are "anti-america" or another way to say this is, if I don't like you, you are wrong. Just trying to give some perspective.
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aau
08-22 01:58 PM
It would help if Masters is only counted from the Acredited Univs...
I am sure they will take care of that loophole... the fact is , even NJIT is an Accredited University. The Degree is not worth the paper it is printed on though.
In any case, as long as its not an Online degree..it should be permissible.
I am sure they will take care of that loophole... the fact is , even NJIT is an Accredited University. The Degree is not worth the paper it is printed on though.
In any case, as long as its not an Online degree..it should be permissible.
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pappu
04-24 04:58 PM
I think, getting my visa re-stamped has become the most inhuman experience. I received my visa renewal I-797 in January 2008 and since I was visiting India in Feb 2008, I decided to get the remaining period (2 years) of my H1B visa stamped. I was not expecting any trouble since I had received my 2nd visa stamp just last year in March 2007. I thought it was impossible for the visa officer's to not have my information since I have been through the drill two times before. Unfortunately, on the Feb 11th, when I went to get my passport stamped, the Visa Officer started giving out blue handouts (this one is not even listed on the New Delhi embassy website) one after the other and sure enough to me too. She wanted to know what I did (Quality Engineer in a biotech company) and even while I was explaining she started chit chatting and laughing with her superior (I assume). Then she wanted to know about my experience of over 4 years in just three words. I was completely shocked. How could I sum up my experience in 3 words. I gave her my answer but was bluntly told to take the blue handout and send the questionnaire and resume as listed to a given email ID. I did that the next day, having no idea what I was getting into. It has been over 2 and a half months now and till date I have no idea what exactly is my fault and what is happening with my visa. The visa officer kept my and my wife's passports and I-797 form and around march 11th asked for my i-129 and other documents which I promptly gave at the embassy. Every time i have called the embassy or the DOS, I get the same response that the application is pending security check and no more details can be given. They refuse to understand that I have a life and home there and i have to pay my bills. I have lived in US for 8 years now and have also completed my master's there. Every month I have to call the utility companies, insurance company, post office and phone company to know what my bills are and have to pay them. Every two months I have to spend close to Rs 1800 to fedex checks to my friends so that they can pay my rent. I have had to cancel my flight tickets and suffered losses there. I have not even filed my tax returns for the year. My life is thrown completely out of gear and i have no idea how i will pay my rent and bills if my company decides to put me on unpaid leave or just terminates my employment. The consulates refuse to issue even a visitor visa so that we can go to US and dispose off our properties. How inhuman and arrogant can the get? How could we possibly become criminals overnight? How can they expect our employer's to retain us after such long delays (so guys have been stuck for 8 or more months)? Aren't they forcing unemployment unjustly on us without any reason if they cannot find anything wrong with our background later? What national security secrets act is preventing the phone visa specialists from disclosing exactly where we are in the process and what is stopping the progress? There are so many questions that need answers and all of us feel helpless as we continue to witness DOS destroy our credibility, careers, our credit history...almost everything that we have worked so hard to earn. How can they expect to build bridges with the world when they are hurting unjustly so many people (29 pages worth of numbers at delhi website and some 59 pages worth of numbers at the chennai website and God knows how many on other consulates worldwide. I have heard people spending some $5000 every month in Canada. This is horrible and some community organizations and law firms must talk to the DOS/Whitehouse about this issue. National Security is must but there must be better way than playing with the future of so many innocent people (99% most likely of which will have acceptable backgrounds).
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cal97
12-03 03:21 PM
Got the same too. I git frustrated and sent out an e-mail on Friday. Not sure if I should really fill in the form. What a mess at every stage :mad:
I got an automated response from ombudsman saying that I will have to fill out a formal inquiry in the form of 7001. That's the form to fill out if you want ombudsman to inquire into your case.
I got an automated response from ombudsman saying that I will have to fill out a formal inquiry in the form of 7001. That's the form to fill out if you want ombudsman to inquire into your case.
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ramineni11
05-17 12:09 PM
First of all make a complaint about the employer to the INS that he is not paying... and make decision, US is not your entire life. If you have confidence you can do anything anywhere in this small world.
In that case its better to go to India and lead a much better life than staying in this pathetic state here.
Obviously there's no meaning for an immigrant to stay here away from his home country to be trested almost like an uneducated person.
Living like this is not only bad for one's self respect but is also certainly illegal for the employer.
Its people like this guy why companies liek Infosys etc abuse the visa program and pay less to guys they bring from India to US.
In that case its better to go to India and lead a much better life than staying in this pathetic state here.
Obviously there's no meaning for an immigrant to stay here away from his home country to be trested almost like an uneducated person.
Living like this is not only bad for one's self respect but is also certainly illegal for the employer.
Its people like this guy why companies liek Infosys etc abuse the visa program and pay less to guys they bring from India to US.
sammyb
01-04 02:42 PM
I had a good laugh once I started reading the posts .. liked the fun .. and comments from members ... the H4 & F2 was good .. so L2 and F2 are in same category??? :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
belmontboy
02-27 06:47 PM
this thread is useless. Please delete!
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